Since there's a lot of confusion I thought we should make a sticky post with accurate info. and I'm really bored at work.
Gti-R front brakes = NX2000 WTIH ABS!!!!!!. Same rotors 257mm, pads, AD22VF calipers. you can use any big brake kit meant for an nx2000, b13 sentra
Gti-R rear brakes = Infiniti G20 (p10 1991-1996) CL9HA calipers and pads with a different gti-r only carrier, unique gti-r rotors. Seems like no other car shares the rotor to date.
Front Rotor - Shared with NX2000 with abs
257mm diameter
45mm hat height
26mm thickness
22mm min thickness
vented
Rear Rotor - Unique
258mm diameter
33mm hat height (45mm hat height on a non gti-r, jdm nx2000, n14 sunny gti)
9mm new thickness
8mm min thickness
solid
Pads - You can use anything that fits an nX2000 with ABS ad22vf front caliper for the front and a p10 infiniti g20 rear pad.
*** not verified Pads: Hawk for 1989-1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo/non-turbo
HB213E.626 Disc Brake Pad; Blue 9012 w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
HB213N.626 Disc Brake Pad; HP Plus w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
HB213F.626 Disc Brake Pad; HPS Performance Street w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
HB213Z.626 Disc Brake Pad; Performance Ceramic w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
Hawk
HB421F.622 Disc Brake Pad; HPS Performance Street w/0.622 Thickness; Rear;
Porterfield ( Not confirmed)
Porterfield R4, R4-1, R4-E, R4-S AP540 rear
EBC
FRONT BRAKES
Red DP3839C
Yellow DP4839
REAR BRAKES
Red DP3889C
Yellow DP4889
Carbotech
G20 1997-1991 Bobcat 1521 AX6 XP8 XP10 XP12 XP16
R: CT540 $111 $127 $139 $149 $159 $171
Wait wait wait, so can I put a rear brake rotor from a Nissan ZX300 on the GTI-R??
How about a JDM Datsun truck?
Just kidding.
Thanks for taking the time to make this thread, Nick. You've probably eliminated 99% of the questions that were probably yet to come regarding GTI-R brakes (don't be surprised if one or two more are posted however. :-p)
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oops i made a mistake, the g20 front rotor is not the same as its 4x114. the caliper and pad is the same tho, don't use a g20 p10 front rotor unless u redrill it. updated the first post
I want to share my experience about the rear calipers that myself and Seby figured out yesterday. The G20 calipers are a perfect fit but... You have to ask for the [u]opposite side[/u] that you really want.
I had a seized rear left caliper and had to go out and get a replacement. I asked for a G20 rear left (lhd driver) caliper and what they gave me only worked on the right side of the car. I went out and exchanged it for a G20 rear right and it fit perfectly on the left. It appears Nissan went and flipped the calipers on the Pulsar.
Cheers!
Could you explain in a bit more detail or have some pics? How did it not fit? Did the caliper mounts not line up? Did you have to swap torque members or just mount the caliper backwards? More details please.
I'm just trying to figure out if we could simply put a rear left g20 caliper in the rear left position but use a 45mm hat rear rotor off say a jdm nx instead of the stock 33mm hat. Does anyone know where the extra 12mm of offset is coming from? the caliper mount? the hub? the caliper torque mount?
Nick, I didn't take pics sorry. The bleed valve and handbrake line bracket were facing the front of the car instead of the rear. I have to replace the rear rotors soon so I'll take pics at that time.
I really don't think it would allow a 45mm hat just by switching calipers, the pad carrier bracket would no longer line up with the rotor. Perhaps if we were to replace the pad carrier bracket with one of the g20??
I'll look into it. Now to get my hands on a set of p10 carrier brackets.
This would definitely open up a lot of choices in the rear for a disc. Just remove the dust shield and we may be in business. Nearly all other fwd nissan's use a rear 45mm hat disc.
I think I might be able to put an 11.4" disc in the rear for under 350$
pad carriers 50$ (just a guess), rotors 90$, 200$ for caliper adapter bracket
FYI - Going to be trying a 12.3" rear disc upgrade in conjunction with FastBrakes.
It will work with our stock rear caliper but reposition it slightly in order for the rotor to fit. If these work they will be providing them for GTIR owners.
Will look like this: http://fastbrakes.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=1936
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good idea.. i just want a set that will fit under 15" rims.
KVR also have these- 257mm diameter and 26mm thick- heres the link http://kvrperformance.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1_6_1052_10573&products_id=13141
PLUS THEY'RE A CANADIAN COMPANY- NO CRAPPY EXCHANGE RATE!!!!!!!
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KVR rocks, I really like their Kevlar pads too. Cheap and very grabby pad compound without too much dust. I've been running those on all of my cars for many years now.
well i can honestly say this has saved me the hassle of taking my rotors and pads off to measure them cuz i know the numbers on the site were not correct as i ordered them and they did not fit! and my rotors are rusted so the numbers are gone and they are sooo warped that you can get a massage just from driving the car cuz it shakes sooo bad! im determined to get the brakes and nick you are the hero here! thanks a million...if they dont work well back to taking the rotors off to measure! cheers
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These are all taken from http://nissan4u.com/parts/sunny/el_n14/1990_12/type_51/
rear rotor 4320654C03
rear caliper right hand 4400154C01
alternate: D400154C01
rear caliper left hand 4401154C01
alternate: D401154C01
seal kit 4412061E26
front rotor 4020654C01
front caliper right hand 4100154C01
alternate: 4100154C02
front caliper left hand 4101154C01
alternate: 4101154C02
seal kit 4112011L27
do you know the availability date
They test kit is in the mail and should be here soon. As soon as I fit them I will start to get a group buy together.
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did you know if the rear rotor kit is finished from fastbrakes?
does any one try those :
Carbotech
G20 1997-1991 Bobcat
F: CT422 $119
R: CT540 $111
i'll order those pad, so i want them to fit :)
thank you
I just got a set of front brake pads from NAPA for a 1991 Infiniti G20 and its completely the wrong pad. I went to canadian tire and their pads ( cheap one and expensive one ) were both the same as the NAPA pads. Does anyone have the part # for the pads from Can tire or Napa... please help, need to get these today... I asked the can tire guy to check the brake pads for the 1991 NX2000 and the front pads were the same as the front pads for the G20...
Low Mileage GTI-R for sale http://www.canadagtir.com/forums/buy-and-sell/for-sale/fs-91-pulsar-gti-r-low-miles-0
looks like a lot of the part mfg's don't have the correct numbers
look for a d549u style pad.. nx2000 WITH ABS
try this
*** not verified Pads: Hawk for 1989-1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo/non-turbo
HB213E.626 Disc Brake Pad; Blue 9012 w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
HB213N.626 Disc Brake Pad; HP Plus w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
HB213F.626 Disc Brake Pad; HPS Performance Street w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
HB213Z.626 Disc Brake Pad; Performance Ceramic w/0.626 Thickness; Front;
Nice, thanks for the part #'s A little shout out to all those GTI-R brake haters out there. IMHO the brakes can be made to do the job very well. When I picked up my car from the importer I found the brakes were fantastic, so all this bitching made no sense to me. The set up I had right from the start is stainless brake lines, and I asume some good quality fluid, yellow stuff pads in the back and lastly the key to it all Blue pads in the front. I think they must be these ones HB213E.626 Disc Brake Pad; Blue 9012 w/0.626 Thickness; Front;. Not to say that this setup will blow you away, but I can brake as well as my friend in his RS4.
I'm not stupid, no one lives forever. But with advances in modern science and my high level income it's not crazy to think I can live to be 275 maybe 300.
Ricky Bobby
and with my 4pot wilwood setup i can brake massively better than the oem setup. try doing it on an autox course and u'll see quickly why the oem brakes are garbage or braking from any speed higher than 120km/hr more than once.
the key to it all is try to do it more than once and u will have problems stopping. the hawk blues are also a race pad and will eat your rotors quickly, and require warming, they're garbage cold.
besides comparing it to the rs4 is not that impressive, considering the rs4 is nearly 1000lbs heavier than the gti-r.. pretty awful if you ask me.
again its all relative, if you think those are good brakes then by all means, i just personally think they're shit, especially in repeated heavy braking attempts.
Well..... Wow Thanks for the warm welcome. I have done more track days than I can count, including my hometown, former formula 1 track right here in Mont-Tremblant. My car with this brake setup can keep up with 911 turbo's on almost any track. Just last week It pulled the car down from 240kh/h in two places on a 3km track for 20 min of lapping.
I guess it's all about perspective. I wonder if you really go as much as you talk because if you're worried about eating your rotors...... If your car stops that well, you should be burning 3 sets of tires for 1 set of hawk blues and discs. No doubt there are better brakes, but set up properly these brakes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pVn46j280Y&feature=channel
I'm not stupid, no one lives forever. But with advances in modern science and my high level income it's not crazy to think I can live to be 275 maybe 300.
Ricky Bobby
perhaps u spend most of your time on track, but u'd glaze over a set of blues on the street. and in cold conditions, the blues would nearly be dangerous. i have experience with the blues with my autox prepped crx. i bet on track you run like a victoracer or a hoosier tire, this is not a very good comparison to a street tire.
my gtir is a 90% street car, before the 4pots, i had rebuilt calipers axisss ultimates, stainless lines front and rear, hawk hps in the rear, motul rbf600 fluid, new front rotors and machined rear rotors. i would stand on the brakes and the car would not stop. from a daily drive perspective this is not acceptable, for 400$ more than rebuilding the stock setup, the 4pots are worthwhile for my safety, my passengers safety, and my insurance rating.
i have nothing against you.. but i think its poor advice. track car vs street car.
i guess i should be clear and say the oem brakes are terrible on the street with street tires and a street pad.
the oem brakes might be good on r compounds with a race compound pad.
OK, I can agree with that.
Seen from that perspective you are very right.
You are also right that my car is almost a track only car (I don't have a trailer so I have to drive to events) and I wish I had an R compound tire but I run Azenis 615? or Potenza RE-11.
The only point that I would beg to differ is that your advice and anyone elses, including my own, should be clear with respect to application. My point was that with the set-up I mentioned the brakes will stop the car "fairly well" (as good as a new RS4, you be the judge) and as you pointed out that is for my application. You say this is not a good set up for the street at all, and I am sure that you are right.
When I bought my car I came to this and other sites for info, and I was lead to believe that the brakes were shite no mater the application.
What I really wanted say was; I love my brakes! and I didn't have to get 4pots.
On that note you seem to know alot about the brakes on the GTIR, I know I read it in another of your posts, but what is in your opinion the best 4pot set up that will fit under a 15" BBS wheel?? and do you know where it's easy to get in canada. I don't mind paying a little more for convinience.
Oh and an RS4 weighs 1900KG, so like 1500lbs more than us !!! I agree it's no benchmark, but it's still a 90 000$ car !!
I'm not stupid, no one lives forever. But with advances in modern science and my high level income it's not crazy to think I can live to be 275 maybe 300.
Ricky Bobby
www.fastbrakes.com look to spend around 700 usd to 1000 usd depending on which application.
you can fit an 11" , possibly 11.75" kit from them. i run 15" wheels and fit the 11" kit but wasn't sure on the 11.75 kit so i played it safe.
if you're able to catch a group buy sale when the dollar is close to par, you can find them as low as 600 usd with rotors, pads, calipers, stainless lines, and the adapter.
there are many group buys , i believe someone on here organized one, but check sr20forum as they have the most groupbuys.
http://www.sr20forum.com/group-buys/242188-big-brake-gb-early-2009-a.html
Thanks.
I wll do that.
How do you deal with the front rear bias?? Are you running original rear calipers??
I'm not stupid, no one lives forever. But with advances in modern science and my high level income it's not crazy to think I can live to be 275 maybe 300.
Ricky Bobby
which fast break kit is it? and what size tire did you run on the 15's?
why drive any car.... drive your dream car!
modform on here is having a 12.3 rear upgrade being made by fastbrakes. someone on the uk gtiroc forum has a 11.8 inch rear kit with the oem caliper.
i run a 205/50/15 on a 15x7 wheel with a +35 offset and 5mm spacer.
if fastbrakes would make a caliper adapter for a 84/85 300zx 11.4 rear rotor thats redrilled for 4x100 would be ideal
I know I'm resurrecting a very old post here, but I just wanted to pass on my experience and confirm that what Atomic said in this past post is perfectly CORRECT (I just wish I had paid attention to it BEFORE buying a new rear caliper). The rear calipers from the p10 G20 go on the OPPOSITE SIDE on the GTIR. My left side caliper exploded, I ordered a new one, took a week to get here and I frustratingly found out it was for the opposite side.... The e-brake linkage comes in contact with the sway bar link (in fact it renders it impossible to attach the e-brake cable) and the brake line inlet would be on the BOTTOM SIDE of the caliper if you try to make the caliper fit from the same side as the G20. SO.... if your replacing one of your GTIR rear brake calipers with p10 Infinity G20 caliper ORDER ONE FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
Ty
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hey guys and gals, Heres some help! take the caliper off and measure them, its not that hard to find rotors! im in the automotive field now and its just a matter of size. pads would b a little more difficult unless you take the ones off your car and compare it with some other ones. i know it seems as tho this car is insanely difficult to work on and find parts but its worth it! i love the car.
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Since it seems like a couple guys have been had by this opposite side caliper on the g20... does anyone have the right side rear caliper for the gti-r(rear left on g20). Mine is dumping fluid all over now and i need one ASAP.
Any update on this?
RNN14
u can do an 11inch rotor with all oem hardware for the rear
where do you see this? Nissan wants $123 per side for the rears, so anything under that is fair game for me.
RNN14
i figured it out
http://www.canadagtir.com/forums/technical/suspension-brakes-handling/rear-brake-upgrade#comment-12968