http://www.sr20-forum.com/turbofx/46628-adjustable-b13-rear-lcas-gauging-interest-11.html#post772827 Anyone else interested? I'm trying to see if Javierb14 will do a group buy for us. These would be great for adjusting the rear camber and toe! plus they eliminate the suspension bind of the lateral link/ trailing arm combo which has been well documented.
interested,post it on the gtiroz forum
should probably mention this is more suited to a track only car, altho can be run on a street car. issue is the rod ends need servicing pretty frequently on a daily setup just would get expensive if replaced every 2-3 years
Not if I get him to make a kit with the delspheres. The are adjustable and 4x4 guys are reporting that they are very long life, lifetime even. They will cost double though.
Finally got these installed. All I can say is wow. What a nice piece of kit!
I was expecting a seriously harsh ride after this because of the heim joints, but I actually think that the car feels smoother over bumps, and its less noisy in the rear. Going over train tracks is no problem.
They were somewhat of a pain to install, mostly because of the long bolt that goes through the hub. Ever car that has parallel links has this problem. The bolt is so long and exposed that it inevitably seizes and nothing except the hammer of thor will budge it. I recently bought a spare sub frame and had to resort to a 10 lb sledge swung with everything I had (thor was busy) just to get the thing to move a few mm so I could cut it. The end of the bolt doubled in thickness from mushrooming.
To make matters worse, In North America you can not get a gtir bolt. They just don't have them. My go to dealer told me that Japan shows them as unavailable. After some research I settled on a Nissan Axxess bolt. The Axxess is a van that was sold in NA that came with the GTIR attessa (but with the ka24de). Strangely enough the AWD Axxess doesn't use a long parallel bolt, it uses two. The FWD Axxess however, uses a long bolt, and works as a replacement for the GTIR bolt although it is about 1 cm longer.
Solved right? WRONG. I bought the last one in Canada. That's right, one, not two. So blah blah, panic panic, research, grumble...anyway I found:
The Subaru STI uses a parrallel link setup and the bolt is almost the same just a little long(2 cm or so. The best part is they are only like 12 bucks a peice not 40 like the nissan one, and STIs will be around for much longer than our old Nissans so it is a good solution.
After snapping one of the old bolts, the other one actually broke loose with the help of a 5 foot breaker bar.
Install by setting the front arms to the proper length (I lined mine up to the stock arms), and then adjust the rear arms to set the toe. I plan on eliminating the eccentric bolt on the rear arm, but for now I set it all the way out to reduce the amount of thread that would be exposed on the heim joint.
On install, put some 14mm washers on the end of the bolt to take up the extra bolt length. Also remember to bath everything in Anti Seize.
That's it, put everything back together and enjoy!
On my coilovers these still have a fair bit of clearance at the front arms at full droop. I suspect that on stock suspension they would be getting close however due to lack of bend that the stock arms have.
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I'm interested. How much did you pick these up for?
He sells them for 315 plus shipping, but I'm going to try and work a group buy for all the GTiR brothers around the world. Stay tuned.
Any Updates
Yes, sorry I've got the car in a million pieces right now getting ready for a race. I'll post up soon about the arms.
This is from the manufacturer Turbo FX:
Turbo FX said:
"The material for the rod end to bolt adapters/spacers is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I will be able to machine your custom adapters this weekend and ship them with the boots by early next week.
I also just wanted to double check that the spacers need to be exactly 1cm wider. If they do, I'll update the part machining drawings for GTiRs that will use these LCAs with the STI bolts.
I'll also look into the eccentric bolt elimination kit...that's a good idea! A "single adjustable" or "fixed" front arm is doable. I would need to get my hands on a GTiR rear suspension to check measurements and figure out bend radii.
I also have pricing on for quantity purchases on the GTiR LCAs
QTY 1-4 = $315
QTY 5-9 = $285
QTY 10-24 = $270
QTY 25+ = $255
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We are still doing some testing and measuring but if this is the price who is in for these?
I would need to know preference on:
- Spacers; stock gtir or sti bolt
- Length; stock or altered
- Bends; The front arm when installed as a straight piece may foul on the subframe with loads of droop aka rally suspension. Doesn't come close on my coil overs. It is possible to be made with a bend to clear on even the droopiest setup but may be more expensive and will require more testing and fitting. It also wouldn't be adjustable while installed.
F ing WANT.... wish I would have seen this on SR20 forum I would have gotten a set also... Just dont have the time to do the research anymore ;(
Mine isn't bigger than yours.. I just like to drive
Group buy is going ahead can a mod move this to the for sale section?
I have been running these all summer with great success. 6 autox events, 2 track days, and daily driving to and from work all summer as the R is my main vehicle.
2 of the rods ends are showing slight play, but very minor. I suspect this is because I rushed to fit them and didn't put the protective boots on them (dumb). The boots are provided and will shield from dust and debris. I even hit a pole and broke one of my rims on it and the arms are totally fine.
Right now there are 6 buyers so we are in the 285 plus shipping price bracket.
how much are the replacement costs per rod end?
I'll find out exactly for you. Standby.
Ok I've run into a slight snag. Let me start of by apologizing because this is my @#$% up.
I'm currently stripping my wrecked R. While doing that I thought I would test fit a factory rear shock with the arms as (believe it or not) I had not done that yet as I have been running on my coils for the summer.
When I prototyped the arms I took an educated guess (read assumed = made an ass of U and ME) that since my coils were set to factory ride height, and that the arms had loads of room to move around, that there would be no problems with clearance of the subframe. I failed to take into account just how much more the factory suspension compresses to reach ride height than the coilovers. So long story short, the arms foul on the subframe. I'm talking they ALMOST fit, but when it's metal on metal it might as well be a metre if it's a few mm.
This means a few things. First I'm going to need to know who of the potential buyers run coilovers and couldn't care less if the arms fit on factory suspension or not. On coils there is LOADS of room. Second I'm working with Javier to find a solution that will clear using factory suspension. This will most likely involve a slight bend in the front arm that is causing the issue, just like the factory arms have (first clue). With the bend the arms will still be adjustable, but not while they are bolted to the car. This really wont matter for most people, as the proper way to install these means that you set the front(short) arm to the factory length off the car, then install and adjust the toe with the rear arm. The only reason to adjust the front arm on the car is to change the camber on the alignment rack. These really are not meant for a huge amount of rear camber adjustment anyway as this will also throw off the rear track and stretch the axles.
If everyone can let me know if this effects them or not it will assist in letting us know who needs modified arms and in coming up with a solution.
I'll keep you all posted as usual about the progress and again, I'm really sorry about this.
I've followed these on the SR forum. Read your install Lynx. And since I cannot turn I'm very tempted to look into these. Lynx has built a superb handling car! But I need a revised front LCA first. There's just not enough money ... and I've got to change turbos.
ewaldperformance.com
front LCA to come.
replacement rod ends would cost roughly $13.50 per piece. This is for the standard rod end that is included with the arms. The rod end is machined from chromoly with a nylon race and uses a 5/8-18 inch threaded shank with a .626 inch bore. There are quite a few other configurations of rod ends available that are compatible with this standard size. Rod ends are usually considered a "wear" item and using a standard size with this design means that replacements will always be available.
Also the group buy is going ahead with the straight arms meaning ONLY COILOVERS. The arms are undergoing a redesign for the gents that require factory clearance.
Ahh sooo tempting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
1992 nissan pulsar gti-r Black sold/1993 red/rusty parts car /1990 nissan pulsar gtir fully built vet with to much jam
If you need all the clearance, I can offer you to ''Scan'' where the links pass.
It will take about a day doing this, about half a day to scan the links and all what it have arround it. After this I can put it in a 3D program and redraw the links and all the things arround it.
Let me know if interested! It can be for the front or the rear or even ALL the car, but this is about 1 month of work :p
ah i wish my new job hadn't fallen through, then i would have had a daily STI and this would be an autox only car.
so unfortunately im out, annual replacement of these rod ends, effort, cost don't make sense for me at this point. maybe in a couple years time when i retire this car to autox only duty.
That's the coolest thing I have ever heard. I'll let you know. Right now I think the problem is easily solved without a full cad workup.
Cmon nick....you know you wanna. With the boots and packed with grease these babies should last a long time.
i do i do... i had boots on my bumpsteer kit, they went within 2yrs with expensive motorsport grade sealed teflon coated bearings. a bit expensive to replace, then have realigned too often for a daily.
well hopefully the company i was supposed to start working for gets budget again, then i can get the new sti i want and keep the gtir for fun
these rod ends can be replaced with whatever fits also. You can find cheaper ones than are included with the kit.
I'm currently interested in the delsphere bushings that are adjustable and rebuildable for very cheap and apparently will outlast the factory stuff.
Let me know if you need it! On my side I'll try to find time to make some scan of the car, in about 2-3 weeks the car is going in the garage, so I'll have time to do some parts of the car. I'm planning to take off the engine, maybe I'll scan it for fun and maybe one day have a complet GTI-R, but that's a lot of work, but I think it will be a great project, so after this, mod will be so easy!!!
hey Lynx!are you making a group buy cause its another project you have been workin on?or its cause there arent any adjustable aftermarket ones?i need adjustables or oem links as soon as possible!thanks!
AFAIK these are the only set of aftermarket arms.
From Turbofx:
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The other (2) straight arm design GTiR sets are also almost finished. This weekend, I finished machining all the required parts and have them prepped and ready for welding. I'm going to TIG them tomorrow or on Tues.
I'm just waiting on the rod end end adapters from the machine shop...I'll get an update from the machine shop and get back to you.
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Version 2 (bent) arms are looking good, got this pic from turbofx!
P.S. the best part is the price is the same!
2 sets of version 1 (straight) arms are ready for payment and shipment!
Whoever wants these pm me!
Bump, cmon guys I know someone on here wants these. There are 2 available to go right now. Straight version only at this point.
I just removed those long bolts in order to replace my rear wheel bearings and have my axles rebuilt.
Gotta say Lynx I was all ready for a big fight with those long knuckle bolts. I managed to break the nut free without too much trouble (they are 22mm by the way). Then I put my breaker bar on the head of the bolt and kept turning it while continually soaking the entire bolt with WD40. I turned it and WD40'd it for like 5 minutes until it turned relatively easily. Then it just tapped right out without much trouble. I guess I got lucky. Took me about 10min to get it out. I was prepared for the worst but hoped for the best and the best is what I got :-D
wow you did better than me my friend.
yeah don't get me wrong it was still a full body workout lol. All sorts of crazy noises and rust flying everywhere while I was initially turning the bolt free. And using a 5 foot long breaker bar :-D
Is a set still available?
I'll ping Javier and see how things are going. I think the last straight set went to Khrys but there are version 2 arms in the works now.
Hey everyone. I'm Javier, the guy that has been building the rear adjustable lateral links for the GTi-Rs. I just wanted to let you know that I have one more set of the Version 1 (straight arm) in stock and ready to go. Oh, and I will be fabricating another batch of links in the very near future, so let me know if you are interested or have any questions about them.
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