Starved GTIR

Posted: Mon, 06/15/2009 - 5:27pm
Starved GTIR

WooHoo, Welcome to the world of JDM am I right?

Today, during a drive home from a fiends place in Calgary (I live just north in Airdrie) the car seemed starved of fuel when I wanted to give her a little throttle. It would chug as if it was either getting no fuel or too much fuel. It was able to go a couple kilometers, but as I went up a hill it wouldnt take my throttle response at all, and I eventually had it in first just trying to limp it to an exit. She ended up dying off the path, and I had her towed home today. When it was just sitting right after it died, I was able to start it perfectly fine, but immediately she died with struggling rpm's...

What do you think the problem is? I checked the MAF and gave it a poor mans ECU reset, but thats it at the moment. I figure fuel filter or fuel pump, but I am not exactly sure what EXACTLY to be looking for. Anyone have this similar issue? Can anyone save me from bringing it to a mechanic who is going to rape my wallet due to it origin?

Thanks so much,

Cheers,

Maniac

Posted: Mon, 06/15/2009 - 6:34pm

boost leak

i bet you've blown off the hose connected to the bypass

else there's a massive leak elsewhere

Posted: Mon, 06/15/2009 - 7:52pm

ya sounds like a blown coupler.. or somthing... usally if the fuel pump is k.o.-ed it won't run at all. you can test for leaks by making a cap for the turbo with an air chuck turned into it.. look up vacuum leak down tester on google.

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Posted: Mon, 06/15/2009 - 9:05pm

Oh sorry gents, I guess my explanation was a bit vague. She wont start at all, so I'm thinking clogged filter (crossing fingers), as I have heard the JDM stuff doesnt like our gas, or fuel pump...which I think might be a bit pricey.

What would you suggest to test if its the pump. How tough is the fuel filter to get to?

Posted: Mon, 06/15/2009 - 9:50pm

i think u need to do more work and less guessing

and this crap about jdm stuff doesn't like our gas.. .thats crap, gas is gas, if your fuel filter is clogged its kuz ur car sat in some yard for like 10 years not moving, then the pump sucking up the crud off the bottom of your tank, and the filter deteriorating with age. you should have replaced the fuel filter, cap and rotor, plugs, and wires, oil, diff fluids all in the beginning neways.

check for a blown coupling or boost leak, with a massive boost leak it won't fire and if u somehow get it started it will stall out or barely idle.

if there are no boost leaks then check for fuel, then for spark

you can check for fuel simply pulling the hose off the fuel filter, turn the key to position 3 and fuel will come shooting out.

this is ultra basic diagnosis

Posted: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 8:46am

Guessing is what I do when I am unable to work on the car. I buttoned her up from a MAF check last night, and I am now at work. I am going to peel away at lunch or so to check the fuel system.

Thanks for the tips nick, i do think your 'crud' theory may be correct, I ran the fuel tank to the lowest I ever have since getting the car that morning, then fueled up, not 20 minutes of driving went by and the problem arose.

I let you know later on...

Posted: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 2:56pm

Alright, so I put in a new fuel filter and I am still getting no start. The old filter needed a change either way as nasty black fuel came out of it. When we primed the fuel pump without the connection to the new filter on, it puked out fuel everywhere, so I am presuming that the pump is working fine. I had a JDM knowledgeable friend give a hand with things, and he says the major connections associated with the turbo are good.

I have now, with the advice of some folks here moved on to the plugs, which looked pretty spent. I have some on order with a local parts place here, and will be in tomorrow morning. Keep my fingers crossed...the plug wires and distributor are all new, so I'm hoping its nothing REALLY bad.

Posted: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 3:12pm

wow, i remember seeing this car on kijiji or something for 7.5k ? Id wanted to buy it but didnt work out.... hope its something simple. I hate it when you get a car and something goes wrong right after.....

Posted: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:01pm

did you check the plumbing for the bypass valve its sitting underneath and to the right of the plenum
there should a be a 1- 1.5inch wide hose running straight down then making a right to the bypass(blow off)

you can see in the following pic on the far right the short bit of hose, its about 2inch long, 1-1.5inch wide

Anyways after u get it working , i would change the oil, unless u want to do a rebuild.

you've probably cranked it a million times and your oil is fuel soaked.

Posted: Tue, 06/16/2009 - 4:29pm

Wow, thanks for the photo nick, that always seems to be the best way to convey something, and yes, I will give the oil a change right after...

Again, Thanks for the pic.

@evo3...yeah, JDM tuners hooked me up. It is definitely a bummer when something goes less than two weeks in. Discouraging, but it wasnt like I wasnt warned...

Posted: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 7:12am

if you had black gunk come out of your filter then its prob made its way to you injectors so maybe try getting them checked out. and from there just keep moveing down the fuel line you will find it some place :) good luck!

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Posted: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:56am

Did you even test for spark before buying new plugs?

or even pull ecu codes?

Posted: Wed, 06/17/2009 - 5:32pm

So after finding a thread on GTIROC, with a gal from Calgary with the same problem, I am going to pray that its the pump, and only the pump. We did plugs, got spark, injectors are working, its very VERY frustrating to buy a car, and a little over a week later have it quit...

The problem stated on GTIROC was a weakened fuel pump, which will get fuel to the rail, but not enough to run the car, it will barely fire, but quickly die.

Can someone tell me average prices for the part, I have been quoted $120 from NAZ at JDM Tuners in Calgary, what have the rest of you paid/waited for a fuel pump?

Cheers,

Maniac

Posted: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 6:18am

from what i hear its easier to go to a aftermarket pump. i dont have one yet but mine has been tested fine but if you going to do mods you might as well upgrade :)

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Posted: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:30am

Alright, so I have now seen multiple other threads all over the place with basically the same problem, and the common fix is the pump. I have also read the Walbro 255 is the one to go with. Can someone give me a hand in finding one...or is this basically an eBay only deal? I could use it here as soon as possible, or now...but we all know how that goes.

Thanks, Maniac

Posted: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 10:34am

hello there, on most cars, you can spray carb cleaner in the intake when someone is cranking the car and the car usually starts if its a fuel pump related issue. not sure if this works on a turbo car but just a thought.. hope this helps.

Posted: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:58am

Hey all,

So I just found out that MOPAC on 16th Ave and Centre in Calgary have plenty of Walbro 255 lph in stock, but they currently run at $190. Is this astronomically expensive, or is this what I am going to pay if I don't want to wait for an eBay purchase?

Posted: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 3:41pm

That price is about on par with every other parts place I have seen them at.

Posted: Thu, 06/18/2009 - 9:14pm

Alright, so here is the deal. I had a Walbro on its way to my place while I opened up the tank, which was full, so it made for a wet afternoon. When the pump arrived, we found that the SOB sold us a in line pump, not in tank, so we had to put back together the old unit and replace it. When we buttoned her all up and I realized I was going to need a pro to take a look at her, my buddy said crank it for shits and giggles, and what does she do? Fire right up. Now while we were working on the pump, we removed the negative terminal from the battery, and when I did, the grounding kit tore from its connection. I reopened the connection and clamped it back in, and we reconnected it afterwards and it fired right up.

Could the lack of ground cause that problem? Trying to give her fuel and she bogs then dies, from a ground? It baffles me, but now I am looking for that oil change I need. Filters are a standard size right? I will be able to get one from any parts place right?

Thanks for all your help all,

Maniac

Posted: Fri, 06/19/2009 - 6:35am

Definitely back to square one. She had all the same symptoms when I brought it out to see how it was. Nothing has changed. Do I bring this to a mechanic or is that a financial death wish?

Posted: Fri, 06/19/2009 - 8:24am

No idea, replace the pump and possibly run a new power line and new ground for the pump.

Posted: Fri, 06/19/2009 - 1:05pm
nascarmaniac wrote:

but now I am looking for that oil change I need. Filters are a standard size right? I will be able to get one from any parts place right? Thanks for all your help all, Maniac

oil filters K&N HP-1003 Nissan 15208-53J00 WASHER,DRAIN 11026 01M02 Drain plug 11128-01M05

Posted: Fri, 06/19/2009 - 2:54pm

i just use a 240sx oil filter

Posted: Sat, 06/20/2009 - 7:50am

Alrighty then everyone. It was the fuel pump. The guys at JDM Tuners threw in another GTIR pump, and she is running great. I am going to pull the plugs and see how she is buring, as there seems to be a slight 'burp' in the exhaust.

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