knock/ticking
Posted: Sun, 01/24/2010 - 4:45pm
knock/ticking
hey yet again another problem, came back for a drive from the other night and heard a knock/ticking sound, tick gets faster but quieter as the revs build, what could it be? i got the valve cover off and its not any broken valve springs so its either the lifters or sadly somthing in the lower end...help?









if the noise is from up top ,you may have to reshim it
i dont think its that.... i tryed starting it 2day and no pressure and the oil lights on... but its had pressure before and the light wasint on when i drove it couple days ago when it was ticking... maybe oil pump?
I agree with oil pump... is there any leaks around the oil cooler and oil filter boss? there is a known weak spot where the presure sensor goes.
Mine isn't bigger than yours.. I just like to drive
no leaks at all, my car dosint even burn oil like what so ever... ive also just recently read that it might be my vvt (solenoid)? the symtoms of that going are low oil pressure and making ur car sound like a diesel engine... kinda sounds like myn and i got no pressure so thats also a possibility...all i can say is FML
Im sure the GTiR SR's don't have VVT so you might look else ware... is it a clack clack sound like a rim shot on a snare drum or a tick like a really loud watch tick? As mentioned above the sold lifter do need valve lash adjustment from time to time and a good thrashing on the motor will push them out of spec if there due.
Mine isn't bigger than yours.. I just like to drive
more of a loud tick... sounds like its from up top
k well its getting oil so i unno what it is...
You can determine if the noise is from the top or low end, does the tick happen with every rpm, or is it slower? every rpm could very well be something in the low end, if you rev it up and it ticks at a slower rate than the engine, it's probably something up top.
Drive it like you stole it
no oil pressure and a loud knock, sounds like a bearing to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZplzqSbKmo this is rod knock
well if thats rod knock then its deffinitly not that.... its same pace tick the whole time and as u speed the revs up the tick gets faster but it dosint tick as loud.... the rod knock sounds horrible in that video and myns nothing compared to that
o by the way thanks for all the responses :) im only 18 years old got my first year of auto service tech done and only know a little about these beasts! but anything u guys can tell me or help me with is greatly apriciated :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yScLMyVR5_g&feature=related kinda sounds like that but not as loud... and like said when the revs build it gets quieter :s
these sound like valves that need shimming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YONX9fD5bao
i would also check if you've popped a rocker off
what do u mean by shimming valves?
http://gtiroc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46064&highlight=shim
but 0 oil pressure to me sounds like a bearing thats toast on the big end
i got pressure....
alright now im just rattled.... i let it run for 5 min and it made the same sound as normal then it all faded away! and then 30 seconds later it started ticking again:( now im just confused!
oil heated up got thinner less pressure more ticking. Like what was said above I'd take off the valve cover and have a look. Look for any excessive wear or Missing rockers :) befopr you do this call the dealer and order a valve cover gasket.. should be less than 20 bucks. or goto lordco or whatever is in Heaven,,, I mean Langly
The valve lash runs out of spec which is normal and does need to be re-shimmed from time to time
Mine isn't bigger than yours.. I just like to drive
i dont think its that.... i tryed starting it 2day and no pressure and the oil lights on... but its had pressure before and the light wasint on when i drove it couple days ago when it was ticking... maybe oil pump?
uhm you said yourself u had no pressure and oil light
you might want to drain the oil and see what can be seen in good light and take a sample, perhaps might diagnose metal bits, and might check the oil filter too
- what happens in gtir when oil filter packs in? bypass or ??
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yea jus wasint ran for a while and i got pressure after 20 seconds :S now it gets it instantly again.... i drained the oil and looked at it and put a magnet in it.... no metal.... at this point i dunno.... i fond a little plastic peice in the head lying there when i took the cover off... so another possibilty is somthin on a lower tensioner broke and retarded the timing?
here i got a video of it http://www.youtube.com/user/turbofreakk#p/a/u/0/Eefyt3Xg_nM
sounds like rod knock to me, big end bearing is probably gone.
Another thing you may want to consider from what I've heard and what you've posted is the timing chain tensioner is broken (which is why you found a piece of plastic in the head -may have been brought up by the chain) and that's why it makes a louder sound at lower rpm's (cause the chain is slapping against the timing cover) This would explain why the sound gets quieter when you rev the motor (cause you tension the chain more under load and it doesn't slap the cover as hard) and why it can go away then come back pending on the chain harmonic at that rpm.
1. Pull the valve cover, get a socket with a breaker bar onto the crank pulley bolt, have one person rock the engine back and forth with the breaker bar. If the chain is tensioned properly then the cam gears will move accordingly. If a tensioner is broken then there will be a slight delay from when the cams gears move when the breaker bar switches it's rotation direction. Or in simpler terms check to see if you have slack in the timing chain... if you do then it's slapping and ruining your timing cover which is where all the noise is coming from.
2. Another simpler way to check is run the motor and use a long screwdriver and place the tip firmly on the different parts of the timing cover and place your ear on the butt end of the handle to listen for the knock... then try it on the head next to the rockers (not the valve cover...just below it on the aluminum head) it you hear it louder in any area it'll let you know where the knock is originating from atleast... or if you have a mechanic friend they should have a stethoscope probe which is basically the same thing your doing with the screwdriver (but using 2 ears instead of one). You can also use this method to listen lower down the block for bottom end knock as well.
That's just my 2 cents, good luck with it and let us know the results of what you find.
I was also going to suggest the tensioner, they have a tendency to come loose on the sr engines. However, that is a fairly distinct clacking that does sound a little rod knockish. Can you get another video of you reving it from idle to 2k quickly and repeatledly? An easy way to listen for a knock is short quick revs, you'll hear it on the rev up. I'm crossing my fingers for ya man
Drive it like you stole it
i will make another vid... but dosint a rod sound like marbles ussually? myns a disticnt sound same spot everytime
alright so i went to racing greed 2day in coquitliam and they started looking at it and cant belive i was this blind.... its the rocker that sits on top of 2 valve springs... its loose and slappin the side on the head inside hence the loud tick... so know my dilema is finding a whole head that i can buy off some one and use it for parts or some one has the rocker and the things that go underneath it.. any help would be great thanks
vizi0n may have the parts you need.
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i got a head with the stuff you need, i just dont have the tools to take out the valves . 130 bucks and the heads yours with the stuff you need still in it. if you need lower block stuff also, i could probley get you some parts also .
that sounds like a deal dude! thanks :) pm me