Clutch pedal assy bracket fails

Posted: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 1:40pm
Clutch pedal assy bracket fails

While pressing the clutch pedal normally last night, action failed half-way down a stroke with a 'ping'-type snap. Immediately the pedal bent noticeably off on an angle; the clutch could also suddenly no longer be fully disengaged. arg!
So i shifted without the clutch to home, looked at the online manual and parts displays and wondered what could be adrift.

It appears like a spot weld [or fastener??] might have let go on the back of the bracket that holds the clutch pedal assy to the firewall of my gtir. It can be popped back into position at the top while making a grating metal to metal sound when moving it around to a centerline position. The right side only is loose.

GTIR_clutch_pedal_bracket_BROKE.jpg

The fuzzy photo above is viewing from the clutch pedal upwards and shows the pivot point aside my gtirs loose bracket. The pedal's downward action collapses the right side of the bracket and misaligns the rod running to the clutch master cyl.

I'll have to take it to a shop to do any spot welding if required; What all should be disconnected prior to welding on the chassis?
ecu abs ?

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Posted: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 3:36pm

Sorry to hear about that, and I can't answer your question about what to disconnect for welding.

But for others than may have the same problem waiting for them, this is a very well documented problem wtih our cars - esp. if prior to 1993.

After you get it welded, you should probably consider this:
http://www.gtiroc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19511
It was the first thing I did to my car when I got it. The owner in Japan had made his own bracket - out of 6mm steel! Which was obviously strong enough but didn't fit right because it couldn't be bent enough, so I replaced with one of Steve's - fit perfectly.

Good luck.

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Posted: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 9:14pm

Thanks very much for the info! Definitely a brace will be added as in the gtiroc link. Looks like that basically would have prevented all sideways motion that causes the metal to flex and pedal angle to change! Cheers!

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Posted: Sun, 09/20/2009 - 9:15pm

sucky good luck with that, that is also the first thing i modified as well on my car.

Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 4:19pm

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Posted: Fri, 10/30/2009 - 4:43am

CAVEAT EMPTOR = Buyer Beware
Some may wonder what provoked the UK vendor in his preemptive damage control/ advertising posting to this thread and his unnecessary requirement to send me a 'free' part which I did not solicit after the refund and which will not make it onto my vehicle based on my soured experience with the UK vendor. I will have something done locally after all this time which will serve the purpose.

At four weeks after the part order I sent an email seeking shipping status info on the overdue shipment of the small bracket in the link above. No response from the UK vendor arrived in spite of email request. At five weeks from payment date for the order I once again sent a second simple shipping information request to the UK vendor and to my great shock and disbelief he replied with a totally unsatisfactory email indicating he had not even yet sent the part ordered, with no plan to follow through in any time definite manner other than refund or putting up more money for a dhl shipment in time of a mail strike. He gave no prior indication of any delays or confounding variable whatsoever at any point previous to yesterday. He had weeks to deal with the order prior to any serious complications in the postal system yet chose to ignore it for his own reasons. I took the refund offered thank you and cut off the contact telling him none further would be sought nor desired. He followed it here basically duplicating the link listed with an apology appended. It's really a moot point now.

The 'free' part he indicates as sent really has an opportunity cost associated of a lot of wasted time and inconvenience and won't make it onto the car even if it does arrive. He makes the appearance here of ostensibly looking for sales and to help us out and trying to appear a good guy, but as regards shipping and customer relations he is found wanting. In my opinion clearly his real desire in posting in this thread is damage control on a totally botched sale and containing blowback concerning his duplicitous statements evidenced above and those contained in private emails he may allow to be disclosed if he dares.

FWIW Initially, he was asking 21 gbp for the small piece, i declined politely based on price (nb. 12 gbp for UK delivery too much for shipping, and would have it made locally here), whereupon he immediately dropped his price to 16 gbp which he hoped I would find 'more appetizing'. Then he then sat on the part until severely chided and upbraded with a threat to contact paypal disputes for FAILURE TO DELIVER. He failed grossly to live up to his agreement but to his credit refunded properly. He was contrite and somewhat remorseful only after it had gone way past any point of redemption or reasonable shipping practice.

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Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 4:19pm

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Posted: Fri, 10/30/2009 - 7:51am

Ha! Steve Pudney dicked me around for over 3 months after fully paying for the MBC and clutch assembly brackets. Buyers beware, from the onset he appears to be a good seller, however, he fails to deliver until the situation is escalated to a point where no one should have to make such an effort to obtain a product which is fully paid for and promised. In the end, I did get my order but it was such a painful transaction I do not wish this fate upon anyone else.

Steve, you have to expect that some will speak of their extremely bad experience when doing business on the internet. Suck it up and move on.

Posted: Fri, 10/30/2009 - 8:01am

I'm still waiting for my master cylinder brace, its been nearly 6 weeks now.

I refrain to comment until I receive my item.

Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 4:20pm

I actually posted your replacement when I posted Bills bracket out. It was posted Air Mail and your tracking number/proof of postage is RJ328443449GB and the tracking page is http://postcode.royalmail.com/portal/rm/track?catId=500185&mediaId=22700601&keyname=track_home.

Bill, what ever you might think, that post above was meant as a sincere apology, just in case you might want to save yourself a few dollars, your bracket tracking number is RJ328443435GB.

Posted: Fri, 10/30/2009 - 10:09am

Admitted my shipping lead times do definitely need some revision, I've taken the criticisms on board and made my apologies.

Posted: Wed, 11/04/2009 - 6:35pm

OMG drama! gonna go to the barn and make one!!!

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Posted: Wed, 11/04/2009 - 7:15pm

^ lol

Posted: Wed, 11/11/2009 - 10:15pm

silverstoneclutchpedalbrace.jpg
Thanks to Metal Supermarket for the deal of the day in materials cut to order :) and especially Raymond, at Silverstone who quickly fabbed this solid brace up for my gtir; you should see some of the cool mc braces he installs for some vehicles! Sure great to be mobile in the gtir now. Cheers all!.

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Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 2:01am
91GTiRgrey wrote:

silverstoneclutchpedalbrace.jpg
Thanks to Metal Supermarket for the deal of the day in materials cut to order :) and especially Raymond, at Silverstone who quickly fabbed this solid brace up for my gtir; you should see some of the cool mc braces he installs for some vehicles! Sure great to be mobile in the gtir now. Cheers all!.

how strange........

that looks like an almost perfect copy of the one I sent you

Posted: Fri, 11/13/2009 - 1:55am
91GTiRgrey wrote:

silverstoneclutchpedalbrace.jpg
Thanks to Metal Supermarket for the deal of the day in materials cut to order :) and especially Raymond, at Silverstone who quickly fabbed this solid brace up for my gtir; you should see some of the cool mc braces he installs for some vehicles! Sure great to be mobile in the gtir now. Cheers all!.

actually, just to add............

I know for a fact that you've received the bracket I sent you (because of the tracking details I got back from the posty and that the bracket in the your picture above looks to like a direct copy) and I did issue you a full refund of all monies you paid me, considering your displeasure with he whole exchange I was more than happy to do that. I know that the shipping delays must have been really frustrating and possibly caused some inconvenience, also some parts of my emailed replies could have been worded differently (but the responses right or wrong were provoked by your rather ott attitude)which probably made you quite cross, but................

what I'm struggling to believe is someone who's that concerned about saving a few dollars (deal of the day) could be so pathetic/spiteful to himself not to use the free bracket I sent you.......not only that you revel in showing people the one you had made over using the free one (that strikes me as a little weird)

added later
p.s.

Also, your bracket does look to be made from the same materials as mine are (3 x 25mm black mild steel flat bar) and like that are quite quick to make (about 5 - 7 minutes) and that was how I used to make my first ones (first 20 or so back in 2001) but it wasn't until I'd been using the one I made for myself for a about a year that I realised that black mild steel left untreated was much to soft because over time they stretch out of shape. To stop black mild steel stretching out of shape you need to harden it, all approx 2500 of the brackets I've made since the first 50 odd have been heat hardened/tempered.

I'm sure you must know how to do that but just in case you don't.........

Step 1. Using mineral motor oil in a shallow pan and propane torch (I use a small forge). Use long handled grips to insert your steel blank into the center of the coals or torch flame and allow the steel to become a deep cherry red before you remove it from the heat. Do not let the steel become bright red or orange.

Step 2. Once the bracket is the correct temperature quench the steel using the mineral oil in the pan. Dip the bracket vertically, since rapid cooling on one side can cause the steel to warp and go out of shape. Slide the steel into the oil until the blank is covered, and hold for about 5 seconds. Remove the steel and set aside to cool completely. The bracket is now heat-treated.

Step 3. Clean off the oil when the steel is cool to the touch, and use steel brush to remove corrosion on the surface.

Step 4. Now it's hardened it needs tempering, so place the cleaned bracket back in the heat source you used for Step, watch closely and remove the steel as soon as you see discoloration on the surface. Normally, the steel shows yellow striations. Allow the steel to cool at room temp.

Now the bracket is ready and that's why they take about 10 - 15 minutes to make and cost the absolute vast fortune of they do.

SO ON REFLECTION £16 INC post TO CANADA isn't to bad a price really, is it.

Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 6:55am

Nice work there I'm sure, but as before price was not the real issue; for one, the coating of 'Unobtainium' on your part was a bit thick.

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Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 8:48am

finally got my brace and installed, was an extremely tight fit but it worked and it works well

anyways since i paid extra for dhl and received it by royal mail, i won't give you a hard time about it.  

a simple honest, i haven't sent it yet, and promising to send it by a worldwide known courier probably isn't a good idea when you don't send it by them.

for me the case was, you hadn't sent it within the 30days i paid you, and with paypal you're up shit creek after 30 days to file a complaint.  this is the cause for nervousness on my part.  it may only seem like 100$ canadian to you, but 100$ i can spend on something else like booze.

but thanks for sending it and it works

Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 4:13pm
91GTiRgrey wrote:

Nice work there I'm sure, but as before price was not the real issue; for one, the coating of 'Unobtainium' on your part was a bit thick.

likewise, I found your dose of obsessivelypatheticoverreactivespite rather turgid.

glad we now see eye to eye............

Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 9:16am

thanks your wonderful comments , who's the obsessivelypatheticoverreactivespite ?

all i said i had waited a month, i'd been fair and you were giving me the roundabout, WHEN YOU YOURSELF said the next day, next day
and you overreacted 

anyways im done with this after posting your douche bag responses to my simple inquiries

and by the way, i didn't receive two brackets 

Re: brake master cylinder bracketNick. sorry I haven't got back to you as yet......................

your bracket did go by DHL on the 15th as I said it did but I can't find the paperwork with the numbers on it 
oh and without trying to be funny, the fairness thing actually cuts both ways................before you contacted me about the bracket a few weeks ago, I had only seen you about on the forums occasionally but as a non paid member didn't really know who you were..............Remember, I have already sent you one bracket and the postage for that was over £12, so I think it's pretty fair and trustworthy of me to send you another, free of charge
and I think I've been around on these forums and made enough brackets (over 3000 now ) to have earned my trust
Please also take into account that because our the UK's postal system is on strike at the moment, all the couriers are very busy and the 15th was only last Thursday............
Steve

Quote:Originally Posted by nickrHi Steve,
Do you have the dhl tracking numbers? It's been a month now, and I think I've been more than fair.
Could you please update me.
NickQuote:Originally Posted by stevepudneyHI Nick
It's booked for DHL collection tomorrow, will forward tracking numbers tomorrow afternoon
Steve

Posted: Thu, 11/12/2009 - 9:19am

Steve you are such a cock and a liar. Now go back to your hole where you can dish out more snide and useless comments about us to your 'mates'.

Posted: Fri, 11/13/2009 - 2:23am
AtomicGTiR wrote:

Steve you are such a cock and a liar. Now go back to your hole where you can dish out more snide and useless comments about us to your 'mates'.

talking about pointless/useless comments.............

throwing around malicious insults and using language like that achieves nothing......but I suppose it does give others insight into your own obviously delightful personality.

As this is a public forum, might I be so bold as to suggest you curb your tongue before it gets you into real trouble

Posted: Fri, 11/13/2009 - 4:23am

lol...before it gets me into real trouble.

I like how you cleaned up your lamenting posts which clearly defined your lack of professionalism that could all have been avoided by shipping the product AS PROMISED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Posted: Fri, 11/13/2009 - 5:14am

yawn

Posted: Fri, 11/13/2009 - 6:02am
ukgtir wrote:

yawn

that's what I said when I woke up this morning and read your reply to my post lol

Posted: Fri, 11/13/2009 - 2:20pm

This is fun. Haha, i can't believe i've missed this thread! Steve, you sound like a dink, don't come onto Canadagtir just to sell stuff, this is an enthusiast site, i like my car. My clutch pedal seems to have some mean side to side movement, does this mean I'm in the business for something to fix this? If only there was some sort of brace that helps me! Steve don't bother, fellow enthusiasts any help on where i can get one, or even if someone here could make one, i'd gladly pay you just as much as stevo, providing it isn't coated with such a heavy layer of Unobtainium. :D

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P.S: looking for bottom of rear seatbelts and front tow hook cover haha! Oh and actually a a-pillar gauge pod, spot for 2 gauges preferred. Good luck with your business steve.

Posted: Thu, 04/29/2010 - 9:58am

Well, I suppose now it would be a good time for an update on the untreated clutch pedal bracket assy brace.
No hardening treatment is required as stated above, no need to pay extra for nor put up with needless bs from the UK.

As can be seen below in red :) LOL! [after months use and about 9,000 km mixed city highway] the untreated simple metal strap is holding just fine with no requirement for any dubious special treatment that was listed above. If the bracket was failing it would have cropped up by now given the amount of use in the last while, the only thing that flexes is the steering column bracket to which the piece is attached.

red_braket_installed.jpg

The clutch pedal height and alignment is perfect still using the cheap untreated metal brace; save your money unless you want to throw it away on a dubious 'improvement' and be delayed for months like a sucker.

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Posted: Thu, 04/29/2010 - 10:31am

William, thanks for the update. Like there was any doubt it was going to fail ;)

Are you going to get some made up for the rest of us?

Posted: Thu, 04/29/2010 - 10:56am

Nope. In fact a small sized safeway type 'miricle roll can opener' wingnut type turner needs only be removed from the handle, twisted about in a vice and it would work as well ... with the holes almost exactly sized and proper length. ROTFGL! You could use it as a template for a 1 inch strap. The cdn coins in the pic above can be used to reference close enough dimensions to be useable as a brace. You don't even have to trim the edge off for fit, it just looks better. 2 cuts, 2 drillings, bend in vice out in the barn as previously suggested, which i should have done in the first place.

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Posted: Fri, 05/07/2010 - 10:39am

EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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